BI Development Studio Licensing and VS Express Edition

If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we allow
people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is the
full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The second
type does scripting and some light programming using the express products.
ThanksRS 2000 and RS 2005 are totally different in this respect. RS 2000 required
VS to install the designer into. RS 2005 will use VS if it is there but it
is not required. It will install its own copy if there is no VS. What this
means is that there is no dependency from either a physical or a licensing
perspective. VS is not needed for RS 2005 designer.
My guess is if VS Express is there it will install with it but that is just
a guess. As far as allowing, from a licensing perspecitve there is no
problem. Will it work, my guess is yes.
Bruce Loehle-Conger
MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
<hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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> If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we
> allow
> people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
> I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is the
> full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The second
> type does scripting and some light programming using the express products.
> Thanks|||Bruce,
Thanks for the reply. I have installed RS 2005 designer on 2 workstations.
Workstation 1 has a licensed copy of VS2005, the install integrated with VS
2005 as expected.
The second PC had a copy of C# Express. On this box the install dropped
down a copy of VS that only had the BI project types (which is good!).
The only issue I see is that I had to enter the SQL 2005 license key (in
both cases) to get to the screen where I selected RS 2005 designer. If the
designer is trully "free" how am I going to get the software to the
developers?
Thanks!
"Bruce L-C [MVP]" wrote:
> RS 2000 and RS 2005 are totally different in this respect. RS 2000 required
> VS to install the designer into. RS 2005 will use VS if it is there but it
> is not required. It will install its own copy if there is no VS. What this
> means is that there is no dependency from either a physical or a licensing
> perspective. VS is not needed for RS 2005 designer.
> My guess is if VS Express is there it will install with it but that is just
> a guess. As far as allowing, from a licensing perspecitve there is no
> problem. Will it work, my guess is yes.
>
> --
> Bruce Loehle-Conger
> MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
> <hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:26671BEE-78BA-4540-9B52-661A86BC65A6@.microsoft.com...
> > If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we
> > allow
> > people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
> >
> > I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is the
> > full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The second
> > type does scripting and some light programming using the express products.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>|||The install comes via the SQL Server 2005 CD, which requires a license key.
I don't see any way around this. You don't need additional server licenses
to install the design tool but you do need to be able to run the setup from
the CD.
Bruce Loehle-Conger
MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
<hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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> Bruce,
> Thanks for the reply. I have installed RS 2005 designer on 2
> workstations.
> Workstation 1 has a licensed copy of VS2005, the install integrated with
> VS
> 2005 as expected.
> The second PC had a copy of C# Express. On this box the install dropped
> down a copy of VS that only had the BI project types (which is good!).
> The only issue I see is that I had to enter the SQL 2005 license key (in
> both cases) to get to the screen where I selected RS 2005 designer. If
> the
> designer is trully "free" how am I going to get the software to the
> developers?
> Thanks!
> "Bruce L-C [MVP]" wrote:
>> RS 2000 and RS 2005 are totally different in this respect. RS 2000
>> required
>> VS to install the designer into. RS 2005 will use VS if it is there but
>> it
>> is not required. It will install its own copy if there is no VS. What
>> this
>> means is that there is no dependency from either a physical or a
>> licensing
>> perspective. VS is not needed for RS 2005 designer.
>> My guess is if VS Express is there it will install with it but that is
>> just
>> a guess. As far as allowing, from a licensing perspecitve there is no
>> problem. Will it work, my guess is yes.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Loehle-Conger
>> MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
>> <hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:26671BEE-78BA-4540-9B52-661A86BC65A6@.microsoft.com...
>> > If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we
>> > allow
>> > people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
>> >
>> > I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is
>> > the
>> > full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The
>> > second
>> > type does scripting and some light programming using the express
>> > products.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>|||Bruce,
There are some features that you will not be able to use if you only
develop using BIDS though from what I have heard. What about custom code?
Custom assemblies? Is BIDS a fully functional replacement for developing
robust reports that need major customization (functions, code, assemblies)?
I need to know this. As far as I can see ... it will only install a BI
project type so where do you test custom code for example? I cant create a
custom assembly that is shared across all reports using BIDS alone. If I am
misunderstanding ... great. If I am not ... then I think it is important to
make sure people know that they will be losing function if they just go with
BIDS.
"Bruce L-C [MVP]" wrote:
> RS 2000 and RS 2005 are totally different in this respect. RS 2000 required
> VS to install the designer into. RS 2005 will use VS if it is there but it
> is not required. It will install its own copy if there is no VS. What this
> means is that there is no dependency from either a physical or a licensing
> perspective. VS is not needed for RS 2005 designer.
> My guess is if VS Express is there it will install with it but that is just
> a guess. As far as allowing, from a licensing perspecitve there is no
> problem. Will it work, my guess is yes.
>
> --
> Bruce Loehle-Conger
> MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
> <hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:26671BEE-78BA-4540-9B52-661A86BC65A6@.microsoft.com...
> > If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we
> > allow
> > people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
> >
> > I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is the
> > full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The second
> > type does scripting and some light programming using the express products.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>|||BIDS is for designing reports. You can do code behind reports but you cannot
do custom assemblies. If you do that you need VB.Net (or C# etc). A whole
lot of people are desinging reports only. Previously it was a big hassle,
they would be installing VS just for the report designer. If they are doing
that then they would not be doing anything you are talking about.
I disagree they are losing functionality. RS 2000 had to have some product
installed that had VS to get the designer installed. The designer previously
did not give you the tools to do anything that you mentioned (create custom
assemblies for example). Obviously if you are creating your own web pages
then you need a designer to do so. If you are creating your own custom
assemblies ditto. However, most people are not doing that (creating custom
assemblies).
There are two markets. People who are tightly integrating into their own app
or are integrating in their own data extensions or authentication. I'd say
the vast majority are not doing that. The others are using Report Manager
portal as is.
Obviously you are not doing that. Your type of development is why VS 2005
has the new controls. Note these controls do not come with RS 2005, you have
to purchase VS 2005 to get these (or VB.Net 2005 etc). Just for the controls
anyone integrating with their own app should get VS 2005.
Bruce Loehle-Conger
MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
"MJT" <MJT@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Bruce,
> There are some features that you will not be able to use if you only
> develop using BIDS though from what I have heard. What about custom code?
> Custom assemblies? Is BIDS a fully functional replacement for developing
> robust reports that need major customization (functions, code,
> assemblies)?
> I need to know this. As far as I can see ... it will only install a BI
> project type so where do you test custom code for example? I cant create
> a
> custom assembly that is shared across all reports using BIDS alone. If I
> am
> misunderstanding ... great. If I am not ... then I think it is important
> to
> make sure people know that they will be losing function if they just go
> with
> BIDS.
> "Bruce L-C [MVP]" wrote:
>> RS 2000 and RS 2005 are totally different in this respect. RS 2000
>> required
>> VS to install the designer into. RS 2005 will use VS if it is there but
>> it
>> is not required. It will install its own copy if there is no VS. What
>> this
>> means is that there is no dependency from either a physical or a
>> licensing
>> perspective. VS is not needed for RS 2005 designer.
>> My guess is if VS Express is there it will install with it but that is
>> just
>> a guess. As far as allowing, from a licensing perspecitve there is no
>> problem. Will it work, my guess is yes.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Loehle-Conger
>> MVP SQL Server Reporting Services
>> <hpux9@.nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:26671BEE-78BA-4540-9B52-661A86BC65A6@.microsoft.com...
>> > If we have a fully functional and Licensed Report Server 2005, can we
>> > allow
>> > people using Visual Studio Express to develop reports?
>> >
>> > I our shop we have two types of report developers, The first type is
>> > the
>> > full blast developer that has the full Visual Studio product. The
>> > second
>> > type does scripting and some light programming using the express
>> > products.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>